Curse

esthetic · May 28, 2009, 05:01 PM // 17:01

****EDITED****

Yay! Anet has taken steps to discipline the the scammer, so it is against the rules of EULA. And the best thing to do is to avoid trade in GToB and do them in your guild hall.

****EDITED****

Well this has now happened to me twice. I traded with a friend in game to loan some stuff. Then a third party will make a character with a very similar name pretend its me and ask them to return the item or ask for a loan of some other ingame stuff.

"Can i get back the stuff I just gave you for a sec?" "I need a loan of 100ectos, pay you back later today" "you know im good for it"

My friend thinking it is me will give the stuff and give them other stuff thinking it is me giving it to me on a loan.

Both me and my friend are defrauded by this. I lose my stuff which i gave as a loan, my friend loses the stuff he thinks he gave me on loan. I have confirmed that someone did indeed make a character with a similar name.

I am really pissed as someone is impersonating me to defraud my friends. This kind of behavior and other scams need to be punished, and not allowed by EULA. My friend and I have both sent a seperate report via email to guild wars support and waiting for a response.

At first I thought "How the Heck he know i was trading a friend?" Well, I think it may be A random guess and/or these transactions happen more often than you think. BTW the trade happened in the GToB int. dist. so its a PvP only char used by the scammer.

Please look closely at the names before you trade with a friend!!

I have a "um" in my IGN and the impostor used "urn" in their name!

¿Evan¿ · May 28, 2009, 05:11 PM // 17:11

Its probably someone you're friends with tbh.

MagmaRed · May 28, 2009, 05:13 PM // 17:13

And how did this said person know you were trading stuff to your friend and would get it back, and even where to meet you? Posting the IGN of someone else is not allowed, so I'd remove it, no matter what your reason. You could simply state that they used 'rn' to imitate an 'm'.

Sounds like someone in your guild/alliance, or your friend is in on the 'scam' of you.

Rocky Raccoon · May 28, 2009, 05:14 PM // 17:14

How would this person know that you made the transactions?

EDIT: Damn you beat me to it.

Shadowhaze · May 28, 2009, 05:18 PM // 17:18

I would have to agree with what the others have said...it's someone you know otherwise how would they know you guys traded and how would they get such similar names to the originals?

blood4blood · May 28, 2009, 05:20 PM // 17:20

Do you/your friend announce in open chat what you're trading with each other, how much you're loaning, etc. (full details of the transaction)?

Yes? Well...not to be rude, but that's just a silly thing to do.
No? Then one of you is the scammer, or working with the scammer.

Whether or not GW does anything, you should be more careful who you trust.

MagmaRed · May 28, 2009, 05:22 PM // 17:22

If this is a regular thing you do, and someone else knows about it, it won't stop.... ever. Unless that person is perma banned, they will continue to do it. Even with a similar name, do they use the correct class, armor, hair, etc. or are you and your friends blind to the obvious? Least you could do, as it seems this is a regular problem for you, is to create a password. Something only you and your friend know, and you have to use it to get the stuff back. Still think you have a different problem though, and need to investigate anyone in your guild/alliance/friends list.

JASON626 · May 28, 2009, 05:40 PM // 17:40

make sure its same name on your friends list. This just sounds weird someone knowing both peoples names and inside information such as you are friends and trade often.

Zodiac Meteor · May 28, 2009, 05:47 PM // 17:47

Happened to me before, similar I thought I traded with wrong person. But, a week later I was at my friends house. He logged in to show me his new 3rd year mini pet.

"Oh, it's in storage." Low and behold, there was sitting in his first slot my Froggy offhand.

He actually created a name, for example to not give out names:

Ill Person Il and on his Xunlai account, Il Person Il

I doubt a scammer could have known you were trading 100 ecto's in ID1, on that minute, had nearly the same name. The odds of that is like 1 out of 10,000. Unless it's like this, Scammer: Iegolas, Your friend: Legolas. Then tell your friend your giving rangers a bad name... literally.

BenjZee · May 28, 2009, 05:50 PM // 17:50

Completly misread post oops...
I would say file for support but i douby this would help. Sounds like an inside scam job ...dont trust your fellow guildies lol (im gunna get killed)

turbo234 · May 28, 2009, 06:04 PM // 18:04

How would the person who "scammed" you guys know what you traded, and why you were trading. How did he know it was a loan. If you were talking in the alliance chat/guild chat it was probably someone else who scammed you guys. If you didn't it was probably your friend who just said that happened so he could keep the stuff or he traded to a different friend or account. I don't believe any random person scammed you tbh.

esthetic · May 28, 2009, 06:14 PM // 18:14

I am telling you this is happening with random people not guild or alliance mates w/ info from guild or alliance chat.

If you sit at storage in GToB and you trade, someone can try to open trade w. you and see your already trading. Its not hard to see who your trading with cause, you physically move to the person you are trading.

Then have you ever traded friends in game loaning stuff? I do all the time. And just after a trade someone who you think is that person says, "hey i need the stuff i traded you back for a sec" or "hey I need to borrow 10k ill pay you back, you know im good for it" you will give them what they ask for thinking it was your friend.

Not as unlikely or improbable as you may think.

Inde · May 28, 2009, 06:19 PM // 18:19

esthetic,

While what you are saying is "probable", what the others are trying to communicate with you is much more likely. You need to look at your circle of friends. Sorry.

crazybanshee · May 28, 2009, 06:26 PM // 18:26

Someone knew you and this other person traded, and what level you're trading at. Think maybe it's this other person scamming you? "That wasn't me that took those 100 ectos from you? You must have been scammed!"

Ghost Omel · May 28, 2009, 06:29 PM // 18:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by esthetic

I am telling you this is happening with random people not guild or alliance mates w/ info from guild or alliance chat.

If you sit at storage in GToB and you trade, someone can try to open trade w. you and see your already trading. Its not hard to see who your trading with cause, you physically move to the person you are trading.

Then have you ever traded friends in game loaning stuff? I do all the time. And just after a trade someone who you think is that person says, "hey i need the stuff i traded you back for a sec" or "hey I need to borrow 10k ill pay you back, you know im good for it" you will give them what they ask for thinking it was your friend.

Not as unlikely or improbable as you may think.

How would they know that the person you tradet with is your "Friend"
How would they know what items you have tradet with your "Friend"

It seems highly highly probabloe that your "Friend" is the scammer as Inde said check your circle of friends.

And i usualy go by saying "If you got scammed.....YOU deserve it"

Maybe you can tell us what is your meaning of a friend couse when i think of a friend it is usauly a IRL friend or a guildmate that ive known for more then 4 month and even then i am catious.

+ i have a really hard time puting myself into a scammers head like that..

"Hmm let me go through an entire trouble to copy a name of a person with a risk of not getting that useless green daggers that he have might traded to that other guy and get a chance of being reported....yeah this is much better alternative then selling quest rewards as real rare materials..yes much muhc better .. "

Sorry not trying to be mean it just bseems either your friend is the scammer or you just want..might i say..attention.

Gift3d · May 28, 2009, 06:31 PM // 18:31

Assume the typical whiny carebear role and you'll get anything you want. Bans included. Take hundreds of screenshots and excessively bitch at support in the most overly-polite way possible and you can get anyone you want banned as long as there's the slightest evidence of them doing anything to your dismay. That's how GW works.

Kashrlyyk · May 28, 2009, 06:32 PM // 18:32

Identity theft in GW????? WTF???

Tullzinski · May 28, 2009, 06:48 PM // 18:48

Were they able to recreate a character that resembles your buddy that much? Same Face/Armor/Sex/Size/Colors/Guild Tag/Cape.

In future go to the guild hall to make the transaction......If the person is not legit then they should not be able to go to the guild hall. Not that big of a inconvenience when you are dealing with 100 ectos or some high end item. If your buddy is not in your guild then come up with a code word or ask a question on he/she would know to ensure it is really your friend/s.

Really do not see ANET changing the EULA for this issue it seems pretty isolated.

Enon · May 28, 2009, 06:53 PM // 18:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by esthetic

This kind of behavior and other scams need to be punished, and not allowed by EULA.

Guess what? It's not allowed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by http://www.guildwars.com/support/legal/rulesofconduct.php

To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players. You will not report players maliciously, or cause them to be investigated without reason.

Quote:

Originally Posted by esthetic

BTW the trade happened in the GToB int. dist. so its a PvP only char used by the scammer.

All though highly likely, it doesn't have to be. Last time I checked PvE players can still get to GToB.

On a side note: I find it pretty unbelievable that this person just randomly asked the items back. It's either someone you know or someone that overheard you talk in Area Chat during the transition. And last but not least: Please use some common sense when trading. Always double check what you are trading and who you are trading with. I don't know about you, but my friends are in my Friend List

(And it's not that hard to distinguish a m and rn)

esthetic · May 28, 2009, 06:58 PM // 18:58

Ok i see the ppl say, you probably got scammed by your friend, well i know its not my friend as we indeed are friends and my friend knows I wont demand the items back anyway and he would have not gone through this to not return the items.

And, I want you guys to consider this, lets just say this happened to you. You loan your friend somthing, someone sees the transaction and someone impersonates you and scams your friend and you. Would this not piss you off totally? Is this scam acceptable behavior?

If someone makes a character with a name similar to someone else for the sole purpose of scamming is this acceptable? There is proof here, we have the exact name of the character that was made to impersonate me. I have given the name to support they will have to see that the name is indeed similar and if they track the transactions find out it was used to defraud people.

I understand you need to exercise caution and be carefull in your transactions, but what if someone goes around impersonating you and ripping your friends off? Its not like I can do anything or be carefull to prevent this.